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The article was promoted by Gog the Mild via FACBot (talk) 7 June 2025 .

1883 FA Cup final

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Nominator(s): ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:20, 22 April 2025 (UTC)reply

Hi everyone, I decided to give you all a break from articles on Gillingham F.C. seasons and nominate something else. I mean....it's still football, but at least it's different football This article concerns a match won by a team which I would imagine 80% of football fans in 2025 have never heard of, but it's undoubtedly one of the most significant matches in football history, as it accelerated the end of the "gentleman amateur" era and heralded the start of the transformation of football into a business rather than primarily a nice diversion for posh young men. If you watched the Netflix series "The English Game" in 2020 you may know about this game, although frankly very little happened in real life like it happened in that show.... Feedback as ever will be most gratefully received and swiftly acted upon -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:20, 22 April 2025 (UTC)reply

Image review

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  • Don't use fixed px size
  • File:1871_FA_Cup.jpg needs a US tag.

MSincccc

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Background
  • Going into the 1882–83 FA Cup, Old Etonians, the team consisting of former pupils of the prestigious Eton College, were the reigning Cup-holders. Since "Cup holders" refers to the noun form in this sentence, it should not be hyphenated.
Route to the final
  • In the first round, they beat Accrington 6–3, and in the second they defeated Lower Darwen 8–1. The article Lower Darwen F.C. could be linked in this sentence.
  • In the third round, they took on Darwen Ramblers and scored only one goal in the first half, but dominated their opponents after the interval, scoring seven more goals without reply to win 8–0. The article Darwen Ramblers F.C. could be linked in this sentence. MSincccc (talk) 10:22, 23 April 2025 (UTC)reply
@MSincccc: - done all that. I'm surprised to learn that those long-defunct minor clubs have articles (like an idiot I hadn't checked ) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:56, 23 April 2025 (UTC)reply
Match
  • The reported attendance was 8,000, the highest for any final to date. Could "at the time" be used in place of "to date" since the latter implies up to now, possibly sounding like it's still the highest today (which it isn’t)?
  • ...it was the ninth FA Cup final in which he played, a record which still stands as of 2025. Is the phrase "of 2025" required here?
  • The "f" in "Fellow" should be in lowercase.
  • "Cup holder" is a non-hyphenated term. MSincccc (talk) 18:21, 23 April 2025 (UTC)reply
    • @MSincccc: - done the first and last but I think the "as of 2025" needs to remain because simply saying "a record that still stands" would become inaccurate in the (admittedly unlikely) event that someone plays in a 10th final -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:34, 23 April 2025 (UTC)reply
Match (continued)
  • Could "included the likes of John Chevallier" be replaced with "included John Chevallier"?
  • Can "weavers" be delinked here?
  • Could "the teenaged full-back Jimmy Ward" be replaced with "teenage full-back Jimmy Ward"?
  • "Skilful" is the correct spelling in British English.
Post-match
  • As he received his medal, a jubilant Hunter reportedly shouted "fifteen years at football, and got the English Cup at the finish!" Is "jubilant" required in this sentence or can it be omitted for neutrality?
  • "Focused" is the more common spelling in British English.

That's all from me. MSincccc (talk) 17:37, 24 April 2025 (UTC)reply

@MSincccc: -all done! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:51, 25 April 2025 (UTC)reply
Support. MSincccc (talk) 08:35, 25 April 2025 (UTC)reply

PCN02WPS

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  • " During the extra period, Blackburn's James Costley scored and Blackburn won the match 2–1 after extra time" → this might be a little on the pedantic side but I think since you start with "during the extra period", you can just cut the sentence off after "won the match 2-1"
  • "they had defeated"
  • "had entered" - the "had" strikes me as unneeded here too, and maybe later in the sentence as well. Though maybe it just sounds weird in my head for some reason

Route to the final

  • "they took on Darwen Ramblers" → "took on" strikes me as being a little too informal
  • "the interval" → I think a link here would be appropriate for non-sports fans
  • okay, I will admit - the text wrapped right before "and was late beginning because a football had not been provided and one had to be located" and reading that part made me laugh

Match

  • " Hon. Arthur Kinnaird was" → genuine question: what is the "Hon"/why is it necessary?
  • "newspaper The Sportsman" - link to disambiguation page
  • Any reason Matthews' name isn't linked in the "details" score template?

That's all I spotted - nice work as always. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 05:21, 28 April 2025 (UTC)reply

@PCN02WPS: - many thanks for your review - all done! WRT Kinnaird, as the eldest son of a (living) baron, he was officially styled "the Honourable Arthur Kinnaird", which in prose is always written as "Hon. Arthur Kinnaird". Kinda like how our Prime Minister is officially "Sir Keir Starmer" because he holds a knighthood. "Sir" isn't part of his actual name but it is always used when his name is written in prose in a way that something like "Mr" wouldn't usually be. Hope that helps! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:21, 28 April 2025 (UTC)reply
Gotcha, good to know. Changes are good - happy to support! PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 19:21, 28 April 2025 (UTC)reply

SC

I'll try and get to this, but I'm running a bit slow at the moment, so it may be a little slow. - SchroCat (talk) 05:23, 21 May 2025 (UTC)reply

Just one comment on this: "teenaged[29] full-back": is his age that important? We don't state it for anyone else in the article (and "this is a clumsy formation anyway!) - SchroCat (talk) 07:19, 23 May 2025 (UTC)reply

750h

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reviewing this! 750h+ 09:57, 21 May 2025 (UTC)reply

lead
  • following the threat of teams which wished to pay their players breaking away to could "breaking away" be changed to "to break away"?
background
  • as the home counties which drew maybe a comma before "which"
  • The FA was at the time dominated ==> "The FA was, at the time, dominated"
route to the final
  • there were six rounds prior to the final ==> "there were six rounds before the final"
  • and in the second they defeated ==> "and in the second, they defeated"
  • In the second round they beat Brentwood ==> "In the second round, they beat Brentwood"
  • In the fourth round they defeated Swifts 2–0 to reach the quarter-finals. At that stage they played Hendon and won 4–2 to secure a place in the semi-finals. ==> "In the fourth round, they defeated Swifts 2–0 to reach the quarter-finals. At that stage, they played Hendon and won 4–2 to secure a place in the semi-finals."
match
  • Goodhart, a fellow of Trinity College, Cambridge who had served ==> "Goodhart, a fellow of Trinity College, Cambridge, who had served" MOS:GEOCOMMA
  • While the Etonians lined-up with a i don't think "lined-up" needs a hyphen
  • and the Olympic goalkeeper, Thomas Hacking had to "use all ==> "and the Olympic goalkeeper, Thomas Hacking, had to "use all"
  • At the end of the regulation 90 minutes, the score was 1–1. this sentence kind of confuses me; why is "90 minutes" after "regulation"?
post-match
  • of the match; previously the trophy had been presented ==> "of the match; previously, the trophy had been presented"
  • but unlike in the association game it could not be resolved ==> "but unlike in the association game, it could not be resolved"

@ChrisTheDude: all done, nice work! I do have an open FAC if you'd like to take a look! 750h+ 09:57, 21 May 2025 (UTC)reply

@750h+: - many thanks for the review. I have made these changes. The only item I haven't actioned is the one about "the regulation 90 minutes". This wording is to indicate that 90 minutes is the standard length of a match. Open to suggestions as to how to word that better..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:12, 21 May 2025 (UTC)reply

Source review from Eddie - pass

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  • Link all or no newspapers, FNs 17, 43, 56 are unlinked
    • Those papers do not have articles to link to
  • I'm inclined to argue that url-access= limited doesn't make sense for newspapers.com clippings, as they do provide access to the whole newspaper article in question. Thoughts?
    • Removed
  • Per WP:HOWCITE, add location to newspaper citations when the location is not mentioned in title (so, for instance, FN 21 (and others))
    • Done
  • I would think that FN 41 should use {{cite magazine}}
    • Done
  • FN 75 should have the author added
    • Added
  • How do you decide which publishers to link?
    • I linked the ones that have articles
  • What makes the following publishers high quality and reliable?
    • Sportsbooks Limited
    • Matador
    • SoccerData
    • Guinness World Records (see WP:RSP)
    • Soccer Books Limited
@Eddie891: - re: the publishers, the Guinness Book, regardless of who published it, was edited by Jack Rollin, one of English football's foremost statisticians, who edited The Football Yearbook, one of the two "bibles" of English football, for decades. Sportsbooks publishes the Nationwide Football Annual, the other "bible" of English football, which has been published for over 100 years and is widely regarded as the definitive annual publication on the sport. SoccerData is a well-known publisher of specialist football books with an extensive catalogue, including books by the aforementioned Rollins and Tony Brown, a former chair of the Association of Football Statisticians. Matador I am unsure about so I replaced it -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:23, 24 May 2025 (UTC)reply
Thanks, Matador was the one I was most concerned about. Eddie891 Talk Work 18:08, 24 May 2025 (UTC)reply

- Eddie891 Talk Work 16:33, 24 May 2025 (UTC)reply

Looks to me like a pass. Have not done spotchecks. Eddie891 Talk Work 18:08, 24 May 2025 (UTC)reply

TRM

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Comments forthcoming. The Rambling Man (Been a while, I know......) 19:59, 26 May 2025 (UTC)reply

  • " into extra time. During the extra period, Blackburn's" could go " into extra time, during which Blackburn's" for the lead...
  • Could link Professionalism in association football.
  • Could link "codified" to Laws of the Game (association football)
  • "Wanderers won the final," I suspect "the" should be part of the link.
  • Could link upper class as we have some readers from over the pond and it's not all Downton Abbey, yet.....
  • When you get to the competition itself, is it worth adding an illustration for the concept of the knockout approach?
  • Ref 13 says "Blackburn Rovers, were the first team from outside London and the Home counties to appear in an FA Cup Final.", but that's being used to cite "the first club from the north of England to reach the final", not sure that's good enough.
  • Can we not find a more contemporaneous image of Eton?
  • "second .[14] " remove space.
  • "after the half-time break" -> "after half-time".
  • "A 2–0 victory over Church secured them a place in the quarter-finals,[16] at which stage they faced opponents from outside Lancashire for the first time during the competition as they were paired with Druids, based in the village of Ruabon in Wales;[18] a 4–1 victory took Blackburn into the semi-finals.[14]" huge sentence...
  • "another Old Boys team" question really, why is Old Boys capitalised? it's just old boys?
  • "The Manchester Guardian wrote" I'm out of the loop a bit, but the Guardian didn't write this, it was written in the Guardian, right? Ignore if this turn of phrase is accepted nowadays. Maybe "reported that" instead of "wrote that"?
  • "defeating Rochester" should Rochester be linked if they've played in the FA Cup, does it make them WP:N?
  • "teams and two teams from the Midlands and north of England, and the random draw kept each pair of teams" teams teams temams.
  • "had not been provided and one had to be located" probably could tighten this a bit.
  • "Blackburn added two " scored.
  • "at Kennington Oval in" question, back in the day, would we have have said "at THE Kennington Oval" or not? I don't know, just asking.
  • Okay, I've seen the clip, but instead of "large crowd", I'd use the lovely quote "an unusually large number of spectators".
  • Could link the 1872 final.
  • "Hon." do our non-UK readers know what this means?
  • "extremely novel" are there really degrees of novelness?!
  • "were on average smaller " weaker too? Not as athletic? Smallness isn't a major issue (see Messi) .... just checking.
    • I think an entire team of small players (especially in an era when a lot more physical barging took place) is a different situation to having one shorter guy in the line-up -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:42, 28 May 2025 (UTC)reply
  • "focussed" never like the double s.
  • "became the norm" in what context?
  • "The Etonians, who were..." could make this a new paragraph.
  • "the cup holders" is it cup or Cup?
  • "made something of a comeback " bit conversational.
  • "half hour" hyphenate?
  • Can't believe we don't have a FL about Presidents of the Football Association...........
  • "team until 1901" could link that final.
  • "added fuel" a bit journalistic.
  • Ref 48 fix the dab for Sportsman.

The Rambling Man (Been a while, I know......) 22:01, 27 May 2025 (UTC)reply

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